Week 9 Discussion

Week 9 Discussion

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Tuesday

         In the “Rama Temple Incident” reading, it says, “the mix of Ram and history has come to be a potent weapon for the Hindu communal forces to reap the much desired political dividends” (22). The Hindus proclaimed that a Ram temple, Ramjanmabhoomi, resided on a plot of land in Ayodhya that was eventually demolished and substituted by the Babri Masjid mosque. Ram or Rama is considered Hindu communalists’ “national leader” (12). He is a very important figure to them, so the destruction of his temple is quite significant. In fact, battles between Hindus and Muslims occurred over this topic, causing many to die. It wasn’t just about the topic of the temple, though. The text states, “The Ayodhya Ram temple movement “was not a plea for a temple for Sri Rama, …instead it reflected a far deeper quest for recapturing our national identity” (20).

     Rama is an impactful, influential character to many Hindus. This intense devotion can be problematic, though, such as “For the young and male kar sevaks, Ram is not only a favorite deity but also a communal rendering of Indian ‘national history.’ Having been brainwashed by the rhetoric of ‘heroic heritage’ of the past and the ‘pathetic situation’ of the present, the ‘Hindu’ youth are made to feel intensely the need for shunning ‘impotence’ and ‘weakness’” (17). Their devotion to him is strong, and they must not be weak. Specifically, “The Hindu communal forces’ invocation of Ram and Ramayana along the lines of Eurocentered taxonomies facilitates not just the evocation of monolithic Hinduism and homogenous ‘Hindu’ samaj but also the eradication of the Other, Islam and Muslims” (18). It appears that the application of the Ramayana story is used by Hindus as a way to demonstrate dominance. A nationalist approach arose and added fuel to the fire.

       According to the Reuters article, Hindu nationalist “want ultimately to shape the national identity to match their religious views, that India is a nation of and for Hindus.” This behavior promotes exclusivity. Muslims are affected, and, apparently, have “never felt so marginalised in the independent history of India.” The RSS, a Hindu nationalist group, is mentioned in this reading, as well. The Ramayana is addressed, too. In the article, Culture Minister Sharma mentions the story saying, “I worship Ramayana and I think it is a historical document. People who think it is fiction are absolutely wrong.” By referencing the Ramayana as a “historical document,” Hindus are solidifying their beliefs that they were “India’s first inhabitants.” This creates a divide between Hinduism and other religions.

 Thursday              

       Muslim poet, Umaru Pulavar, and scholar, M.M. Ismail, both studied the Ramayana. The former is “One of the earliest serious scholars of Kamban and one whose own writing owes a great deal to Kamban’s Ramayana…” (267). As for M.M. Ismail, he “has given hundreds of speeches and talks on the Ramayana throughout Tamil Nadu and to many Tamil speaking communities all over the world” (276). Furthermore, he “has been recognized and decorated for his scholarship by many Hindu groups” (277) and “Not only Hindus within Tamil Nadu, but Hindu communities in the diaspora as well have honored Ismail” (279). Comparing this reading to Tuesday’s two, this one shows that Muslims, the ones that certain Hindus are fighting against, are actually quite informed on the Ramayana. As Vasudha Narayanan said, “Only after the Babri Masjid demolition did Hindus in the diaspora become self-conscious about the irony of the South Indian situation, where some of the great scholars of Kamban’s Iramavataram are Muslims” (279).  


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You make some really great points here, Sam! As I was reading the “History, Myth, and Narrativity” section of “Rama Temple Incident,” I was reminded of some of the culture that arose in Nazi Germany. The Hitler Youth were raised on a similar mentality to this one, having great devotion to one man and an “ideal race” in their country, while shunning and disparaging another people group. And this was built up by the narrative of their superiority that was ingrained in them at such a young age, just like associations with the Ramayana and Hindu hierarchy were ingrained in the Hindu youth.

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Rachel,
Really interesting point! The language used in these pieces really does harken back to the rise in nationalism. We see in these articles that the disputes over the locations associated with Rama have already led to violence in the last several years. Whether you believe in the existence of Rama or not, it is unsettling the narrative parallels and the remastering of history to suit power.

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Rachel, this is such an interesting parallel and a good one, at that. It calls into question how intense the push of the Ramayana and the iconography of Rama is. Because if you look at The Hitler Youth, obviously their training was extremely intense and I would say it brainwashed the children. I wonder if the exposure to Indian youth is as high. I am not by any means insinuating that India is comparable to Nazi Germany, but on a scale I wonder if the idolatry and devotion to Rama is comparable, if at all. Regardless, this is such a good comparison.

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Sam,
Some good stuff here! I really like what you have to say about the way the Ramayana is addressed in the article, I think that is crucial to how religion is being approached in India. The divide that is being created by both the religious differences and the economic divide of the caste system is really concerning, and I like how you touch on both the and the good in both of the readings. The one about Ismail is really fascinating, I would not have thought that Muslims would be informed about the Ramayana, but they really are!

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Hi Sam, I really like what you said about Hindus establishing themselves as "India's first inhabitants" and the divide it creates between Hinduism and other religions. I too was drawn to this in the text. Though the text focuses on the repercussions in India, this idea extends across the globe. They are claiming that there religion is the only correct religion. Throughout history people use religion to justify their actions, Christianity is among these. It is concerning to imagine the persecution that people who are not Hindus would suffer if more tolerance is not accepted.

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You made some great points and did a really nice job using evidence from the passages to explain your thoughts! The part from tuesday where you talked about the youth being so overly devoted to Rama was a really good point. I think all around the world this is an issue. Lots of religions and beliefs tend to focus their eyes and devotion to individuals that might actually be a distraction of the true power. Rama was sent by the gods to rule their kingdom. Rama should be praised ut no over the people who sent him. Many people tend to praise government officials without realizing their entire "campaign" is really the people behind them.

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