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Ultimate Rome and Approaches to Environmental History

Something that I have never thought about in the ancient world is the idea of air pollution. In the Ultimate Rome documentary, Mary Beard discovers that there are high levels of, methane as a result of biomass burning or deforestation. I found this really interesting because this is an issue our own environment faces with the constant burning of coal, natural gas, and oil. These gases were preserved in deep layers of ice in the artic due to the expansion of the population and the Roman empire.

This documentary comparatively tied in well with the Winiwarter article when it mentions “what causes the most dangerous damage to the environment?” The video mentions population growth leading to air pollution along with this article that explains that maybe the human population is the main reason for the pollution of our rivers, seas, and air. Humans are known to cause considerable amounts of pollution on this earth, but this is something that has not just occurred recently, but instead, pollution dates back to the ancient Roman days. 


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I found the Ultimate Rome documentary to be a very interesting basis for my background in this class. The documentary explains the depth of the Roman Empire, and I think it ties the ideas of manipulation of nature and globalization together. Throughout the documentary, we learn that the Roman Empire connected areas of the world that had never been able to even communicate before; this was done through population growth and expansion, a topic discussed in the "Medieval Attitudes" reading. To create such extensive connectivity, the Romans had to manipulate nature and resources. They had to create infrastructure in order to develop towns, transportation systems, and more. Today, we do not think twice about using nature to our own benefit, but during the time of the Roman Empire they built everything from "nothing". Their expansion had a lasting impact on the landscape and areas that they covered. Although these developments can be to thank for all of our ways of living, they create problems when we think about how we view the earth and nature surrounding us. I wonder just how different our daily lives would be if the effects of the Roman Empire were not so permanent. 

To relate this to the Ancient Ecological Narratives and Herlihy readings, the Romans began to use the environment and world around them to best serve and fulfill their needs, which was one of the very problems expressed in these readings. I interpreted "The Ode to Man" and "Gaia's Revenge" as expressing hatred towards mankind for taking advantage of the precious place we call home, and the Romans used their environments for personal gain, not caring what resulted. 

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            After reading “Attitudes Toward the Environment in Medieval Society,” I was fascinated with Herlihy’s interpretation of the Genesis narrative. He discusses (with references to Lynn White, Jr.’s understanding) “ecological triumphalism, [which is] a sense that in their dealings with the material world, men need only consult their immediate self-interests” (102). Though this might seem fine to some, it is a terrifying thought: all of nature is now subject to man’s rule, and there appears to be no one who is divinely slated to advocate on behalf of nature. Additionally, even as someone who has been raised in a Christian Church, I found it interesting that the Earth was cursed “as a direct consequence of Adam’s sin,” and this was not something that I had considered prior to this reading (103).

            Herlihy continues his discussion on the Genesis narrative by quoting passages of scripture from the third chapter of Genesis. Verse nineteen concludes the chapter by stating, “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return to the ground.” While this might be slightly grotesque, I find it happily ironic that man—the responsible agent for cursing both humanity and nature—must return to nature as the final act of his life by being buried or cremated. Either way, the natural world consumes humanity and overcomes the party who originally caused the “rebellious” curse (103). Finally, Herlihy provides a fantastic analogy: “By God’s curse, earth was rebellious to man, its appointed master, just as man had been to God” (103). Understanding this quotation through a more comical lens, though humans might sometimes think that the Earth is not wanting to cooperate with them (mom’s tomato garden will not grow, etc.), we ought to remember that we as humans were the ones who instigated the curse that produced the thorns and thistles that make gardening so difficult!

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Ultimate Rome and Ancient Ecological Narratives

Watching the documentary “Ultimate Rome” with Mary Beard caused me to see the founding and history of Rome in a new light. I really loved how Beard was actually in the city of Rome, recounting history as she came across it. Being able to see all the ancient artifacts and historical ruins made Rome’s history seem not quite so far removed, in a way. The thing that interested me the most about this documentary is how the story of Romulus and Remus might not be the classic myth we know. According to Mary Beard, the translation for “wolf” in Latin is the same word as “prostitute”, so, for translation purposes, Romulus and Remus could have been birthed from a prostitute rather than a wolf. If the case, this would change the story of the founders of Rome. 


The “Ancient Ecological Narratives” were also interested to me, as well, particularly the portion of “Gaia’s Revenge”. I think it was interesting that this article frames the Trojan War as being a way to alleviate population increase on Earth. By starting a war that would result in the death of hundreds of fighters and innocence, the environmental problems that come with overpopulation would be reduced. The fact that this told to be “the will of Zeus” shows how important the natural world is to even the most powerful of the gods, as it is their creation, after all. 

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The Ode to Man Antigone by Sophocles

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The Ode to Man

Antigone by Sophocles

Though Antigone is a tragedy the focus is on the narrative of the characters and the conflict of the men. The except we were given for analysis provides quite powerful insight into the perspective of the ancient civilizations on the forces of nature and, as a whole, the environment. The passage opens with a direct statement of the rape and exploitation of Gaia, the maternal figure of the earth in mythology. Mankind is classified as “terrible” because of the possession of the earth which is personified as a woman whose bounty and generosity we benefit from. Active verbs reveal the power man seems to have over the land with choices like “traps…conquer…tames…rules...” (Sophocles 332-83).

However, the ending of the excerpt takes a more hopeful turn than the rest with an allusion to the ingenuity of mankind. Sophocles seems to think that cleverness was a gift given to us which we can use accordingly. “Deina” is the Greek word used twice in the translation once to mean terrible and secondly in the description of human’s cleverness. This choice seems intentional and thereby insinuating that this shrewdness might not necessarily be the best thing for mankind. Is it to blame for our treatment of the earth? Following this statement Sophocles presents two options by which our cunning is used for. They are the archetypal polar opposites; good and evil, and he introduces them without elaboration, leaving the reader to determine what good and evil are especially in regard to the treatment of the environment and resources
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Ultimate Rome

At the beginning of the video, they go and look at the ice that was pulled out of Greenland. This ice was claimed to be from the Roman Empire. I am curious as to how they determined that this ice dates back to the Roman Empire. They did not mention whether climate change has an impact on how they determine what time period the ice is from. Later in the video, they mention how pollution was greater due to the chimneys releasing gases/chemicals. We know today that our earth is very polluted, so using the ice sample, can they compare the two. If so, it would be interesting and helpful to see the numbers to have a better understanding. 


Around the middle of the video, they go and observe a silver mine. I know gold use to be the main currency back then, so at what point did silver become another currency, and why did they decide silver was worth making a currency. When silver came in as a currency, was gold used much less or still around the same amount? What was the difference between the two currencies? 

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Environmental Pessimism and Eschatological Attitude

      Herlihy writes about how ecological pessimism was more common than ecological triumphalism in the writings of the Christian fathers. I think this is very interesting because I have previously read one of Lynn White Jr.'s pieces, and I had found it extremely interesting and valid. He discusses Genesis and how nature was created to serve man and for man to use as he pleased. I never would have guessed that the Christian fathers actually thought the world was already reaching or at its max capacity and acknowledge the negative impacts of man on nature. They acknowledged that resources were already being claimed and exhausted.

       I also found the eschatological attitude very interesting. The fathers found the earth overcrowded and procreation no longer necessary. I also think it is interesting that people way back then were ok with interpreting the Bible differently or acknowledging that certain things, in this case, the idea of "increase and multiply, and fill the earth," no longer apply, when people in the modern world struggle with accepting different interpretations or change to the Bible. The fact that there was an aversion to not only sex but marriage and procreation was an idea I never knew about. Augustine had said that if man no longer existed that would actually be a good thing because that means the predestined number of saints was met as well as the population of the City of God. They already were under the impression that maximum expansion and population had been reached as far back as the ancient world. The fact that the human population went on to grow to 7.8 billion is amazing. I also think it's interesting that couples wanted one or two children back then and we are now getting to the point in the modern world where more and more families are having none, one, or two children, but there was a long period of time when people had many many more. 

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Medieval Attitudes

      In the reading "medieval attitudes" I thought it was interesting that the author discussed the many religions and cultures that actively promoted virginity and suppression of sexual desire because they were increasingly worried about the growth in population. I thought this was particularly interesting in the case of the Romans who the author notes suffered from "penuria hominum" or shortage of men. In the Mary Beard video, we learned all about how the Roman empire sought to project permanence and power through architectural innovations and military conquests, but she did not go into detail about the actual makeup of the Roman population. 

      Because I watched the video first it never occurred to me that there were pagan priests within the Roman empire that were actively encouraging men and women against marriage. Therefore it starts to make sense that the Romans not only wanted to project power and permanence through architecture but also through the communities that they conquered as well. By claiming these cities and spaces as Roman they physically expanded their empire without causing deliberate mass overpopulation. Though there was overpopulation in their cities, as evidenced by the data gathered about medieval Italian cities stemming from sources of Roman wealth and power, the Romans actively tried to stop overpopulation and the lack of natural resources it would cause. Having never thought about the Romans in this context it was fascinating to see how shifting ideologies about nature influenced empires in different ways.  

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Herlihy article

I think it's interesting how Herlihy talks about what the Christians believed about environmental thought in the beginning of Christianity. The way I've always thought about christianity and the environment is that God gave his people command over the earth to take care of his creation. I think this is the more modern understanding of this verse he quotes from Genesis on page 102. But the way White reads this verse is that God gave man his creation to use for his own gain. I think this is interesting because I have never heard that reading of this verse before and it kind of shocked me at first. But I do agree with Herlihy that theologians are more concerned with man's sins then they are with nature, and that's why this reading is not very popular. Theologians were more concerned with overpopulation than they were with how humans were treating God's creation. I think they thought the world would end far sooner than man can destroy the earth. 
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